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Tracea · 03-08-2007

2012 is rather new to me, within the last year. I just learned of the Mayan calendar and bought some books on them. I haven't yet found why they began their calendar in 3113 or 3114 BC... maybe that can shed some light. Why does it end on the winter solstice of 2012? I hope that I don't raise more questions here but I might, because I tend to believe the preterist view of eschatology. There is too much Bible evidence that shows Jesus returned in the lifetime of His disciples... it's quite a knee jerk reaction to think someone could believe this, but if you have an open mind, or try to prove it false, you will be amazed! I am still open to the belief that "partial preterists" share, that Jesus could still return one more time. But the Bible says "the earth endures forever" and "world without end, amen." The old heavens and earth was figurative language for the old covenant, as the new heavens and earth represent the new covenant. His kingdom is not of this world, and does not come with observation. It is spiritual. What He came to accomplish has been done; He has reclaimed us to the Father, and we are no longer separated by sin. satan was to be crushed under His feet "shortly." And shortly back then meant shortly, not hundreds or thousands of years. Audience relevance is very important in understanding the Scriptures. We are reading letters that were written TO them, and we have to look at how they would have understood it, back then. If someone said "He is standing at the door, or I must show you things that will shortly take place" then you would understand that to mean "soon! - like a few months or years, right? Of course those letters are written FOR our benefit and all generations to come, but the time statements applied to those who first heard them. So getting back to 2012, if I believe that Jesus returned already, 2012 must be something of a different nature, like an awakening to what God has done for mankind, a unifying of people to live in harmony (yes I'm an idealist). If He is yet to return again, then yes, it seems that 2012 is the probable time!! I am open to learning more about it either way. I hope I haven't confused anybody! (for more info on preterism, www.preteristarchive.com, www.planetpreterist.com, www.bereanbiblechurch.org)

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Tracea Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: eastern US Posts: 12	mystery! 2012 is rather new to me, within the last year. I just learned of the Mayan calendar and bought some books on them. I haven't yet found why they began their calendar in 3113 or 3114 BC... maybe that can shed some light. Why does it end on the winter solstice of 2012? I hope that I don't raise more questions here but I might, because I tend to believe the preterist view of eschatology. There is too much Bible evidence that shows Jesus returned in the lifetime of His disciples... it's quite a knee jerk reaction to think someone could believe this, but if you have an open mind, or try to prove it false, you will be amazed! I am still open to the belief that "partial preterists" share, that Jesus could still return one more time. But the Bible says "the earth endures forever" and "world without end, amen." The old heavens and earth was figurative language for the old covenant, as the new heavens and earth represent the new covenant. His kingdom is not of this world, and does not come with observation. It is spiritual. What He came to accomplish has been done; He has reclaimed us to the Father, and we are no longer separated by sin. satan was to be crushed under His feet "shortly." And shortly back then meant shortly, not hundreds or thousands of years. Audience relevance is very important in understanding the Scriptures. We are reading letters that were written TO them, and we have to look at how they would have understood it, back then. If someone said "He is standing at the door, or I must show you things that will shortly take place" then you would understand that to mean "soon! - like a few months or years, right? Of course those letters are written FOR our benefit and all generations to come, but the time statements applied to those who first heard them. So getting back to 2012, if I believe that Jesus returned already, 2012 must be something of a different nature, like an awakening to what God has done for mankind, a unifying of people to live in harmony (yes I'm an idealist). If He is yet to return again, then yes, it seems that 2012 is the probable time!! I am open to learning more about it either way. I hope I haven't confused anybody! (for more info on preterism, www.preteristarchive.com, www.planetpreterist.com, www.bereanbiblechurch.org)